Will Alberta Separate from Canada?

Right now there is a strong separatist movement within Alberta. Many Albertans are dissatisfied with how the province is being treated by the federal government. This is not a new issue. It has been going on for decades. However, it is more serious now than before.

Will Alberta actually separate? My guess is almost certainly not, at least not in this generation.

Separation is not easy, and it needs a strong majority of more than just Albertans to happen.

What is necessary to trigger a referendum within Alberta?

🗳 1. Start With a Citizen Initiative Petition

To trigger a referendum in Alberta, citizens don’t just vote on it — they must organize a formal petition process under the Citizen Initiative Act. That process goes like this:

✅ a) File a Notice of Intent

  • An eligible elector (a Canadian citizen age 18+, resident of Alberta) must file a notice of intent with the Chief Electoral Officer of Alberta.
  • They must pay an application fee (currently $25,000 for a referendum application), which may be refundable if the petition succeeds.

✅ b) Submit a Formal Application

  • Within 30 days after filing the notice of intent, the proponent submits a full application for the initiative petition.
  • If the application meets requirements, the Chief Electoral Officer issues the petition officially.

📊 2. Collect Enough Signatures to Meet the Threshold

Once the petition is issued, supporters must collect valid signatures from eligible electors in a set period. For different types of issues, the thresholds differ:

🔹 Constitutional Referendum Proposal

(Which is how separation would be classified under Alberta law)

  • Supporters must collect signatures from 10 % of the number of Albertans who voted in the most recent provincial general election.
  • That 10 % is based on actual ballots cast — which currently works out to around ~177,000 signatures.
  • Signatures must be collected within a specified period (typically up to 120 days).

(Note: earlier versions of the law required 20 % of all registered electors and signatures in 2/3 of divisions, but recent amendments lowered and simplified the threshold.)


📅 3. Verification and Referendum Call

If organizers successfully collect and submit the required number of valid signatures:

  • Elections Alberta verifies the signatures and confirms whether the threshold is met.
  • Once verified, the provincial government is legally required to hold a referendum on the proposed question.
  • That referendum must happen on or before the fixed date of the next general provincial election (or, if too soon, the election after that).

🧠 What Happens Next

A successful petition doesn’t immediately result in separation — it forces the referendum on the ballot with the specific question you asked (e.g., “Should Alberta cease to be part of Canada?”). The actual legal effect of that referendum, especially for something as consequential as secession, depends on federal constitutional law, not just provincial processes.


📌 Simple Breakdown — What’s Necessary in Alberta to Trigger a Referendum

  1. An eligible Albertan files a notice of intent to start a citizen initiative petition with Elections Alberta.
  2. Submit a full application for a referendum petition within 30 days and pay the application fee.
  3. Collect the required signatures (about 10 % of voters from the last election — about 177 000).
  4. Elections Alberta verifies the petition.
  5. The provincial government must then hold the referendum on the next election ballot.

If the referendum is successful, what happens next?

🧾 1. There Is No Right to Unilaterally Secede

Under the Canadian Constitution, a province cannot legally leave Canada on its own. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in the Reference re Secession of Quebec (1998) that:

  • A province does not have a constitutional or international law right to unilaterally secede from Canada.
  • Any attempt to secede must be done through a constitutional amendment and negotiations with the federal government and other provinces.
  • Even a referendum with a majority vote doesn’t automatically trigger separation; it would trigger a duty to negotiate that could lead to separation if terms are agreed.

🗳 2. Referendum Requirements (Clarity Act)

Canada’s Clarity Act (2000), passed in response to that Supreme Court decision, sets out how a province could initiate the process in a way the federal government will deal with it:

✔️ Clear Question — A referendum question must be unambiguous about secession.
✔️ Clear Majority — The outcome must show a clear majority in favour of secession (not just a bare 50 %+1; what counts as “clear” is decided by the House of Commons).
✔️ Negotiation Trigger — Only after a clear result on a clear question would Canada be obliged to enter negotiations on terms of separation.
✔️ Federal Approval to Negotiate — Before any negotiations start, the House of Commons must agree the referendum was clear and valid.
✔️ Constitutional Amendment Needed — The only legal path to actual secession is via a constitutional amendment negotiated and agreed to under Part V of the Constitution Act, 1982.

So even if Alberta held a referendum and a majority voted “yes,” it would not, on its own, make Alberta independent — it would start a long constitutional process.


⚖️ 3. Constitutional Amendment — Who Must Agree?

There is legal debate on the exact amending formula that would apply, but generally:

  • General amending formula (Section 38): 7 provinces representing at least 50 % of Canada’s population plus both houses of Parliament.
  • Some constitutional scholars argue that secession might require unanimous consent of all provinces and Parliament, because leaving affects the entire federation.

This makes the legal hurdles extremely high.


🧑‍🤝‍🧑 4. Indigenous and Treaty Rights Must Be Addressed

Any negotiation over separation couldn’t ignore the fact that:

  • Most of Alberta lies on treaty territory (Treaties 6, 7, 8) between First Nations and the Crown at the federal level.
  • A province can’t unilaterally “take” treaty land or extinguish treaty obligations.
  • Under both Canadian law and international frameworks (e.g., UNDRIP), negotiation with First Nations and free, prior, and informed consent would be necessary for any legal change affecting treaty rights.

This further complicates and probably lengthens any real separation scenario.


📉 5. Provincial Laws (Like Referendums) Do Not Override the Constitution

Alberta’s recent provincial laws — such as Bill 54 lowering the signature threshold for citizen referendums — can help organize public expression of opinion but cannot change the Constitution or grant a province the legal right to secede on its own.

A provincial referendum could be struck down by courts if it interferes with constitutional obligations (including treaty and Charter rights).


🧠 Summary — What Would Be Required

  1. A provincial referendum on separation with a clear, unambiguous question.
  2. A clear majority “yes” result recognized by the House of Commons under the Clarity Act.
  3. Negotiations between the Government of Canada, Alberta, all other provinces, and Indigenous peoples on terms of separation.
  4. A constitutional amendment formally allowing Alberta to leave, approved per one of Canada’s constitutional amending formulas.
  5. Resolution of federal obligations, division of assets and debts, and recognition of treaty rights.

This is not a quick or simple process — it would likely take many years of negotiation and legal work, and there’s no guaranteed outcome even if a referendum passed.

The Church Fathers and the Gift of Tongues

We see the gift of tongues practiced in the New Testament. In the book of Acts, the gift is associated with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Paul also talks about the gift, most notably in his letter to the Corinthian church.

Tongues is a mysterious gift, and it can be difficult to determine its purpose. Personally, I see it as a reversal of Babel. God divided mankind at Babel through language, and then God drew mankind to Himself at Pentecost. The gift seemed to be the ability for one to speak in a real language (of which was spoken in the Roman empire) without having to first study that language. This allowed the gospel to spread out quickly across language barriers in the first critical years of the Church.

To see what came of the gift in the post-apostolic generations of the early Church we can look to the Church Fathers.

Irenaeus (c. 130–202 AD)

As Bishop of Lyons and a disciple of Polycarp (who knew the Apostle John), Irenaeus is one of the earliest post-apostolic writers to mention tongues. In his work Against Heresies (Book 5, Chapter 6), he describes it as a ongoing gift in his time: “We do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God.” He frames it as the ability to speak foreign languages miraculously, aligning with the Pentecost event in Acts 2, and emphasizes its role in revealing truths and benefiting the community.

For Irenaeus, the gift was still being practiced in his day, it was the ability to speak real languages, and its purpose was for prophesy and mission.

Tertullian (c. 155–220 AD)

A North African theologian and apologist, Tertullian refers to tongues in Against Marcion (Book 5, Chapter 8), where he discusses spiritual gifts in the context of Montanism (a prophetic movement he later joined). “Let him who claims to have received gifts… produce a psalm, a vision, a prayer—provided it be with interpretation.” He implies tongues as intelligible speech, often requiring interpretation, and sees it as evidence of the Holy Spirit’s work similar to the apostles’. He notes encounters with the gift of interpretation in his day but doesn’t describe it as ecstatic babbling; instead, it’s tied to rational, prophetic expression.

For Tertullian, the gift was still being practiced in his day, it required interpretation, and its purpose was for the edification of the Church.

Origen (c. 185–253 AD)

The Alexandrian scholar comments on tongues in his Commentary on 1 Corinthians and other works, such as De Principiis. He views it as the miraculous knowledge of foreign languages without prior study, emphasizing that the speaker might not understand their own words unless interpreted (echoing 1 Corinthians 14:13). Origen argues the gift was temporary, part of the “signs” of the apostolic age, and by his time, it was no longer commonly exercised.

“The signs of the Holy Spirit were manifest at the beginning… but traces of them are found in only a few.” (Against Celsus 7.8)

For Origen, the gift was real and apostolic, already becoming uncommon by the mid-3rd century, and was seen mainly as a foundational sign for the church’s early mission.

John Chrysostom (c. 347–407 AD)

The Archbishop of Constantinople, known for his homilies, discusses tongues extensively in his Homilies on First Corinthians (e.g., Homily 35). He interprets it as speaking in actual languages like Persian, Roman, or Indian, directly linking it to Pentecost. Chrysostom stresses that it was a “sign” for unbelievers (per 1 Corinthians 14:22) and notes its cessation: by the late 4th century, it had largely disappeared from the church, as the need for such miracles had passed with the spread of Christianity.

“This whole place is very obscure; but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such as then used to occur but now no longer take place.” (Homilies on 1 Corinthians 29)

For John Chrysostom, the gift was something real from an earlier era, but no longer practiced in his day.

Augustine of Hippo (c. 354–430 AD)

In works like The Letters of Petilian and his sermons, Augustine acknowledges tongues as a historical gift from the early church, where converts sometimes spoke in new languages upon baptism. However, he explicitly states that by his era, the gift had ceased: “In the earliest times, the Holy Ghost fell upon them that believed: and they spoke with tongues… These were signs adapted to the time. For there behooved to be that betokening of the Holy Spirit… That thing was done for a betokening, and it passed away.” He sees it as fulfilled in the church’s global unity rather than ongoing miracles.

For Augustine, the gift was a sign for the church’s beginning, meant to show the universality of the gospel, and was no longer needed once the Church was established.

Other Notable Mentions

  • Hippolytus (c. 170–235 AD): In Apostolic Tradition, he equates tongues with the apostles’ experience at Pentecost, viewing it as foreign languages.
  • Gregory of Nazianzus (c. 329–390 AD): In his Oration on Pentecost, he describes it as a reversal of Babel, enabling communication in diverse human tongues.
  • Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 313–386 AD): In Catechetical Lectures, he marvels at the apostles learning multiple languages instantly through the Spirit.

The Church Fathers seemed to be unified in their understanding of the gift of tongues:

No father describes tongues as:

  • a private prayer language
  • a necessary sign of Spirit baptism
  • a normative experience for all believers

No early source connects tongues with:

  • altered states of consciousness
  • repetitive ecstatic syllables
  • individual spiritual status

Tongues were real languages, not private ecstasy.

They belonged especially to the apostolic age, when the gospel was breaking into new linguistic worlds.

They declined naturally as the church became established.

They were signs of God’s power, not badges of spiritual rank.

They were always meant to serve the church, not the ego of the speaker.

In summary, the Church Fathers saw the gift of tongues as a practical miracle for spreading the gospel across linguistic barriers, not as private prayer languages or gibberish. References become scarcer after the 3rd century, with later writers like Chrysostom and Augustine indicating its decline, attributing this to the church’s maturation. This contrasts with some modern interpretations, but the patristic evidence emphasizes its historical and evangelistic role.

Past Occupations of Cambodia by Siam (Thailand) and Some Cambodian History

Provinces that were occupied by Thailand (Siam) — and when

1) Battambang

  • Occupied: 1795 – 1907
  • Again: 1941 – 1946
  • Details:
    • First period: Siam took control after weakening of the Khmer kingdom.
    • Returned to Cambodia under French colonial pressure in 1907.
    • Second period: Re-occupied by Thailand during WWII after the Franco-Thai War.

2) Siem Reap

  • Occupied: 1795 – 1907
  • Again: 1941 – 1946
  • Details:
    • Controlled together with Battambang as part of western Cambodia.
    • Included Angkor, which was under Siamese rule for over a century.

3) Sisophon area

(today mostly Banteay Meanchey)

  • Occupied: 1795 – 1907
  • Again: 1941 – 1946
  • Details:
    • Was not a separate province then, but part of the Battambang–Siem Reap region.

4) Parts of Koh Kong

  • Occupied: early 1800s – 1907
  • Details:
    • Coastal areas were administered from Siam (Trat region).
    • Returned to Cambodia under the 1907 Franco-Siamese treaty.

The two main occupation periods explained

First period: 1795–1907

Siam controlled much of north-western Cambodia:

  • Battambang
  • Siem Reap
  • Sisophon region
  • Parts of Koh Kong

These areas were ruled by Khmer governors loyal to Siam.
They were returned to Cambodia when France forced Siam to cede them in exchange for other territory.


Second period: 1941–1946

During World War II:

  • Thailand, backed by Japan, re-occupied western Cambodia after defeating French Indochina.
  • Provinces taken:
    • Battambang
    • Siem Reap
    • Sisophon area
  • After Japan’s defeat, Thailand was forced to return all territory to Cambodia in 1946.

Quick summary table

Cambodian areaOccupied by ThailandReturned to Cambodia
Battambang1795–1907, 1941–19461907, 1946
Siem Reap1795–1907, 1941–19461907, 1946
Sisophon / Banteay Meanchey1795–1907, 1941–19461907, 1946
Parts of Koh Kongearly 1800s–19071907

Thailand (formerly known as Siam) has a history of territorial disputes and control over parts of what is now Cambodia, stemming from centuries of regional conflicts. The most notable periods of occupation involving specific provinces are as follows:

1794–1907: Siamese Control of Western Cambodian Provinces

In 1794, Siam acquired control over the Cambodian provinces of Battambang (Bătdâmbâng) and Siem Reap (Siĕmréab), including the area around Sisophon (now part of Banteay Meanchey province), as part of an agreement to install a Cambodian prince on the throne. These territories remained under Siamese administration for over a century, during which Cambodia was often treated as a vassal state amid broader Siamese-Vietnamese rivalries. In 1907, under a Franco-Siamese treaty, Siam ceded these provinces back to French Indochina (which controlled Cambodia at the time).

1941–1946: Thai Annexation During World War II

Amid the Franco-Thai War (October 1940–January 1941) and with Japanese support, Thai forces invaded and occupied disputed territories in French Indochina, including parts of Cambodia. Occupation began in earnest on January 5, 1941, and a Tokyo-mediated peace treaty on May 9, 1941, formalized the annexation of the following areas, which Thailand reorganized into new provinces:

When did the Khmer empire become Cambodia?

Short answer: there was no single day when the Khmer Empire “became” Cambodia — it was a long transition that happened over several centuries.

But we can pin down the key turning points.


The clear timeline

1) Khmer Empire

  • Dates: ~802 – 1431
  • Capital: Angkor
  • This is when Cambodia was a major regional power.

2) Fall of Angkor → Kingdom of Cambodia

  • Turning point: 1431
  • Angkor was sacked by Ayutthaya (Siam).
  • The capital moved south to Phnom Penh / Longvek.
  • From this point on, the state is no longer an empire — it becomes what historians call the Kingdom of Cambodia.

This is the moment most scholars mark as:

The end of the Khmer Empire and the beginning of Cambodia as a kingdom-state.


3) Modern Cambodia begins

  • 1863 – Cambodia becomes a French protectorate.
    This is when borders, administration, and the modern state structure really take shape.
  • 1953 – Cambodia becomes fully independent.
  • Since then: the modern nation-state of Cambodia.

So what’s the real answer?

It depends what you mean by Cambodia:

Meaning of “Cambodia”When it begins
Khmer people & cultureOver 1,000 years ago
Political state after Angkor1431
Modern nation-state1863–1953

Best simple answer

If someone asks this in plain language, the most accurate and useful reply is:

The Khmer Empire ended in the 1400s. After the fall of Angkor in 1431, the empire slowly became the Kingdom of Cambodia, which later developed into the modern country of Cambodia.

Please explain how Cambodia survived between powerful neighbors (Siam and Vietnam) after the empire fell.

This is one of the most important — and least appreciated — parts of Cambodian history.
After Angkor fell, Cambodia didn’t survive by strength. It survived by adaptability.

Here’s the clear story.


How Cambodia survived between Siam and Vietnam

The situation after 1431

When Angkor fell, Cambodia lost:

  • Military dominance
  • Population centers
  • Economic power

At the same time, two aggressive neighbors were rising:

  • Siam (Thailand) from the west
  • Vietnam from the east

Cambodia sat right between them — the worst possible position.

From then on, Cambodian survival depended on diplomacy, balance, and endurance, not conquest.


Strategy #1 — Playing Siam and Vietnam against each other

Cambodian kings learned a hard rule:

Never let one neighbor become too strong over Cambodia.

So they constantly shifted alliances:

  • When Siam pressured → lean toward Vietnam
  • When Vietnam pressured → lean toward Siam

This wasn’t weakness. It was realpolitik — survival politics.

Yes, it meant:

  • Paying tribute
  • Accepting influence
  • Sometimes installing kings backed by one side or the other

But it kept Cambodia alive as a state, not erased from the map.


Strategy #2 — Moving the capital to survive

After Angkor:

  • Capital moved to Longvek, then Oudong, then Phnom Penh.

Why?

  • Safer from Siamese attacks
  • Better access to rivers and trade
  • Easier to maneuver diplomatically

This shift south is one reason Cambodia still exists today.
If leaders had tried to hold Angkor at all costs, the kingdom likely would have been destroyed.


Strategy #3 — Accepting temporary loss to avoid total loss

Cambodia often:

  • Lost provinces
  • Lost control of kings
  • Lost independence for periods

But it never accepted extinction.

Examples:

  • Western provinces lost to Siam → later recovered
  • Eastern lands lost to Vietnam → some absorbed permanently, but core survived
  • Periods of Siamese or Vietnamese dominance → followed by restoration

Cambodia chose:

Better to bend than to disappear.

That choice kept Khmer identity alive when many smaller kingdoms vanished.


Strategy #4 — Using France as a shield

By the 1800s, Cambodia was close to being fully swallowed:

  • Siam controlled the west
  • Vietnam dominated the east
  • Cambodian kings were nearly powerless

So King Norodom made a desperate but smart move:

  • 1863 — Cambodia accepts French protection

This cost sovereignty — but saved the country.

France:

  • Forced Siam to return Battambang and Siem Reap
  • Stopped Vietnam from absorbing Cambodia
  • Fixed borders that still exist today

Colonialism wasn’t kind — but in Cambodia’s case, it prevented national extinction.


Strategy #5 — Cultural survival even when political power was weak

Even when Cambodia was controlled or pressured:

  • Khmer language survived
  • Buddhism survived
  • Royal tradition survived
  • Identity survived

Empires fall.
Cultures that adapt endure.

That’s the real miracle of Cambodia.


The honest bottom line

Cambodia survived because it learned to:

  • Negotiate instead of dominate
  • Endure instead of conquer
  • Adapt instead of collapse

Other kingdoms in Southeast Asia vanished completely.
Cambodia didn’t — not because it was strongest, but because it was most resilient.

Please walk me through a short timeline of the most dangerous moments when Cambodia almost disappeared.

Here’s a short, clear timeline of the most dangerous points.


The moments Cambodia almost vanished

1) 1431 — Fall of Angkor

Threat: Total collapse after empire falls
Danger: Very high

  • Angkor is sacked by Ayutthaya.
  • Population scatters, power breaks down.
  • Many kingdoms in this situation simply die out.

Why Cambodia survived:
Leaders abandoned the ruins instead of clinging to the past and rebuilt farther south.
Painful move — but smart.


2) 1594 — Siam captures Longvek

Threat: Annexation by Siam
Danger: Extreme

  • Longvek, the new capital, is destroyed.
  • Thousands of Cambodians taken as captives to Siam.
  • Cambodia loses control of its own kings for years.

Why Cambodia survived:
The kingdom accepted vassal status instead of extinction.
Weak, yes — but alive.


3) 1700s — Being squeezed from both sides

Threat: Partition between Siam and Vietnam
Danger: Extreme

  • Siam dominates the west.
  • Vietnam expands aggressively into the Mekong Delta.
  • Cambodian kings are installed and removed by foreign powers.

At this point Cambodia was a buffer state with almost no real power.

Why Cambodia survived:
Kings played both sides relentlessly — switching alliances whenever survival required it.


4) 1834–1845 — Vietnamese occupation

Threat: Cultural and political erasure
Danger: Possibly the closest Cambodia ever came to disappearing**

  • Vietnam directly controls Cambodia.
  • Cambodian administration dismantled.
  • Vietnamese officials attempt forced assimilation.
  • Khmer elites flee or are killed.

This was not just occupation — it was absorption in progress.

Why Cambodia survived:
Popular resistance + Siamese intervention forced Vietnam to withdraw.
If that war had ended differently, Cambodia likely would not exist today.


5) 1863 — The desperate choice

Threat: Permanent division between Siam and Vietnam
Danger: Final moment before extinction

By the mid-1800s:

  • Cambodia controlled almost nothing itself.
  • Siam held the west.
  • Vietnam dominated the east.
  • The king had no army strong enough to resist either.

The critical decision:
King Norodom accepted French protection.

This sacrificed independence — but saved the nation.

Without this move, Cambodia would almost certainly have been absorbed and erased within a generation.


6) 1975–1979 — Khmer Rouge

Threat: Physical destruction of the nation
Danger: Catastrophic

  • Nearly one quarter of the population dies.
  • Institutions destroyed.
  • Educated class eliminated.
  • The state collapses completely.

This wasn’t foreign conquest — it was self-destruction on a national scale.

Why Cambodia survived:
Vietnamese intervention ended the regime, and the people rebuilt from almost nothing.


The pattern you should notice

Every time Cambodia faced extinction, survival came from one of three things:

  1. Strategic retreat (leaving Angkor, moving capitals)
  2. Hard compromise (accepting vassalage or protection)
  3. Cultural endurance (Khmer identity outlasting political power)

Cambodia didn’t survive by winning wars.
It survived by making the least bad choice when all choices were bad.

That’s not a romantic story — but it’s a real one.

Why did the Khmer empire decline?

The Khmer Empire didn’t fall because of one single disaster.
It declined because several pressures hit at the same time, and together they were more than the empire could absorb.

Here’s the clear, honest breakdown.


Why the Khmer Empire declined

1) The empire grew too big to control

At its height, Angkor ruled:

  • Most of modern Cambodia
  • Parts of Thailand, Laos, and Vietnam

That’s impressive — but it created a problem:

The center became too far from the edges.

  • Communication was slow.
  • Local governors gained power and loyalty weakened.
  • Rebellions and breakaway regions became harder to stop.

The empire wasn’t defeated all at once — it slowly lost control from the outside in.


2) Environmental stress broke Angkor’s system

Angkor depended on one of the most complex water-management systems in the medieval world.

It worked brilliantly — until climate changed.

In the 1300s–1400s:

  • There were severe droughts, followed by massive floods.
  • Canals broke.
  • Reservoirs filled with sediment.
  • Rice production fell.

When food security weakens, everything weakens:

  • Army
  • Economy
  • Political stability

Angkor’s greatest strength became a liability.


3) Religious change weakened royal authority

For centuries, kings ruled as:

God-kings (Devaraja)

This system depended on:

  • Hindu state religion
  • Monumental temples
  • Absolute royal authority

Then Theravada Buddhism spread across the empire.

It changed society in a big way:

  • Less focus on divine kingship
  • More focus on monks, villages, and local communities
  • Power became decentralized

This was good for the people — but it weakened the state’s ability to mobilize huge resources for empire and war.


4) Strong enemies rose at the worst time

While the Khmer state was weakening:

  • Ayutthaya (Siam) was rising in the west
  • Vietnam was expanding in the east

Cambodia went from being:

the dominant power → to the buffer state

Angkor was attacked repeatedly, not just once.
The famous sack in 1431 was the final blow — not the beginning of the decline.


5) Internal conflict and unstable kingship

Late Angkor was full of:

  • Power struggles
  • Short reigns
  • Rival claimants
  • Civil wars

An empire can survive enemies.
It can survive droughts.
But when leadership is unstable at the same time, collapse accelerates.


The real answer in one sentence

The Khmer Empire declined because environmental collapse, religious change, political fragmentation, and foreign pressure all hit together, leaving Angkor unable to function as the center of a vast empire.


Important perspective

The empire didn’t “fail.”
It transformed.

The people didn’t disappear.
They became:

  • The Kingdom of Cambodia
  • A smaller state
  • A more flexible society

Empires fall.
Civilizations that adapt continue.

Cambodia is proof of that.

Jesus is Not Coming Down From the Sky

There is No Santa

Imagine a young boy who believes in Santa Claus. He believes that the presents he finds under the tree each Christmas morning were placed there by a magical man who came down the chimney, and who afterward hopped on his sleigh pulled by flying reindeer.

But, one Christmas Eve, the boy decides he wants to see Santa for real and so he sneaks out of his room late at night hoping to catch Santa in action. What he does see, however, is his own parents carefully laying out presents, one by one, around the base of the tree. And so, he knows the truth. It is in fact his own parents who are delivering the goods.

Now, with this knowledge, would it be proper for the boy to then believe that it is his own parents who slid down the chimney? And it his own parents who will fly off into the night on the sleigh? No, of course not. The boy must disregard the entire Santa narrative. There’s no one coming down the chimney. It’s all his parents buying the presents from the store, wrapping them out of sight, and placing them under the tree. Once the boy discovers the truth about one thing, he must apply that truth to everything else.

First Century Cosmology

First century Christians did not have telescopes. They believed the realm above them was a series of layers transcending the dome of the sky. They believed that angels and God literally resided in and above the layers containing the sun, moon, and stars. God’s throne room was a literal place up in what we would call “outer space.” When Jesus ascended up to the Father, to sit at His right hand, Jesus literally went up to sit on a literal throne in a literal throne room.

Since Jesus was up in outer space, of course when He returns, he will return from outer space. Where else would He come from?

21st Century Cosmology

Today we have telescopes. We know that we live in one galaxy among billions, and that each galaxy contains billions, if not trillions, of stars. The universe is so vast, it is beyond comprehension. In fact, the universe is likely infinite. We know this now.

We know that there is no Santa. Therefore, is it proper for us to continue to believe that one day the world will see Jesus descending down to the earth through the layers of the heavens as they believed He would in the 1st century? Should we combine their cosmology with our own? No, of course not. Ask any Christian today where heaven is, and unless he’s a flat-earther, he will likely say that heaven is located in the spiritual realm, someplace beyond the material realm that we do not have access to.

New Testament Eschatological Language

New Testament (NT) eschatology is primarily Israel’s eschatology. The Church’s eschatology builds upon it, but then transcends it. The cosmos coming under judgement for the NT authors was the Israelite cosmos. The end was near, at hand, at the door, soon, and about to happen. Every NT author believed he was living in the last days. And he was, to the degree that the old order of things was coming to an end. The apocalyptic language of the NT reflects this.

Israel’s eschatology is not the Church’s eschatology. The Church’s eschatology is this: Just as a dragnet draws all the fish into the boat, so is all creation being drawn to the Father by the redemptive work of Christ. We don’t know when this work will be complete, and we don’t know what it will finally look like. For now it is beyond our comprehension, beyond our reach.

It’s okay to be somewhat agnostic when it comes to eschatology. Embrace the mystery. Whatever you do, don’t go on believing that your dad has a pack of flying reindeer hidden away in a barn somewhere.

We Are Not Israel

Israel is gone. Our faith is not “Judeo/Christian.” We are just Christian. Yes, Jesus was the Messiah Israel was waiting for, but He was not the Messiah they were expecting. Jesus was not the blood soaked Davidic warrior coming to destroy Rome and establish a powerful Israelite theocracy the 1st century Jews were hoping for. This is why He was rejected.

Jesus subverted all Messianic expectations. His kingdom is not of this world. He came to conquer a higher enemy. He came to do the will of the Father, not Israel. The Father’s will is to redeem His creation. This is what Christianity is: The redemption of creation through Christ.

For Christians, Israel has become allegory. The Old Testament scriptures are transformed to types and shadows. It’s not our literal history. It’s our mythology.

Most Christians live like this even if not fully aware of it. They may say the stories are literal history, but they always apply the stories allegorically to their own life’s journey. It doesn’t matter if the stories are literal history or not; anything to do with Israel we allegorize.

Jesus is not coming down from the sky. Israelite cosmology is not true. That’s okay, because we are Christians. We know more. We’ve seen more. We know what is mythology and what is reality. We know the truth, and what we know is true; we must apply it to everything else.